Saturn and Pluto also play their part. I cannot really make that happen now I dont know why but Im still thinking that he is my faith or not, everything is very confused. We have a meaningful journey to take together, but we must ultimately be alone. What of mother-daughter pairs? Tendency to become a victim; cult of mystery; exploration of the suffering of others. Thank You for Your answer and best regards from Hungary! A Venus/Mars conjunction in Taurus can be a beautiful thing. All this seems to confirm your analyses of the other composite houses, as well. I have 3 planets in my natal chart in 12th house (mercury,sun,mars) and we have 2 planets,which are identical in my natal(mercury and sun), in the composite chart in 12th house with someone who i talked for 6 months but we never dated.We also have our moon in pisces in 6th house. I retire in one year and will be living 20 miles from him. He is a pisces/cap/aquar with cap moon in 12th house. The composite chart only reveals so muchcomparing natal charts tells us about the day to day of the people involved, their reactions to one another, their attractions, etc. But venus, mars, moon and vertex in the first house in pisces. Together, they like to dive deeper and deeper into unknown and mysterious beliefs, cultures, territories, and ideas. Im in hawaii for a month, after he broke up with me for the last time, trying to get my strength and sanity back and assure myself that you should not have to TRY so hard for things to work, when these 12th issues come up to work on. Here Black Moon Lilith is squaring both Venus/Mars (12th house) and the Moon (6th house) - both the most difficult houses in the composite chart, indicating an unequal partnership. Thank You for Your answer and best regards from Hungary! In order to respect this aspect, we need to have reverence for all the cycles of life, not just the upswing. Transit Uranus in the Composite 12th House. His Pluto on your Ascendant is an intense experience, but it sounds as though Neptune is the culprit as far as youre concerned. We all find our gods where we can and must. People born with Chiron in the 12th house struggle with their psyche, spirituality, and vulnerability. In our composite chart, Mars in 12th house Cancer square MC conjunct Mercury(10th) and the Sun, Venus(9th) & Mars square IC conjunct Saturn and Pluto(3rd). . This resonates with me. What do you think? Learning to become unattached to outcome is a Neptunian theme in general. Lilith in 12th House Composite, Composite Lilith in 12th House You may find it challenging to express devotion and love for one another if Composite Lilith is in the 12th house. I would need a full synastry to really answer your question. He just wanted to keep it physical until one of us gets married with someone else. He is a pisces rising with neptune conjunct his midheaven. Thanks Dawn! Thank you for your insight. Any insight you can offer would be greatly appreciated. That is really challenging chart I assume and I dont know whether I go for this guy or not. Composite Sun in 1 st House. The working dynamic of the partnership is in the biwheel (how do you make me feel?) When synastry presents itself on the Pluto/Node conjunction, the partner to the Pluto person will instigate growth, either from a negative or positive stimulus. Its weird weird weird . Now we hate each other and nothing made sense. But, our composite chart is weird. taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? I have read your response about 12th house and i really do agree with you. If you see any intense conjunctions between the Sun, the Moon, Juno, the South Node, Saturn, Venus, Mars, Lilith, etc. Im a Pisces sun 7house. MUCH APPRICIATED- i am forever greatful for your insights. I still feel a strong connection to him, but in a way, I guess I have come to reasonable terms with not being with him. But yes, the karmic and telepathic feelings are all there. Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. They have an inner urge to help others but don't know how to help themselves or ask for support. I am reasonably happy in my 3+ year marriage, and yet, I still miss my former boyfriend desperately sometimes. Composite, Davison Chart . But thank you for helping me face reality. Its a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for. Thrown/compelled into a private relationship that feels confusing and unavoidable at the same time. I use both in my practice. The south node lies there on the natal composite. I have always been very attached to her and have had strong needs for physical intimacy which she has resisted. He eventually ended it because he was afraid wed go into a dark place with each other again- our relationship was very intense, and my insecurities and control issues combined with his youthful sloppiness are what destroyed it. Thank you. I feel ok about it but dont want to attach to it. I mentioned Juno because it has a 1 degree conjunction with the Sun. He also has 12th house stellium in his own natal chart in Scorpio. It is commonly thought that the Moon governs emotions and intuition, and it does. Oftentimes, once we surrender to the powers of the 12th house, our lives are transformed by meaning, because those unlikely connections have brought us a wisdom beyond our time together. The composite charts (both Davison and midpoint) need to be progressed. We have experienced together so much and it helps my mental developement so much and also your idea about loving and letting go interests me a lot. I loved him from the bottom of my heart. Everywords pounding in me. Could be a seperation. My natal chart ruler is the Moon and his natal chart ruler is Mars. So I had to find an answer without destroying so many other lives or breaking up relationships. The Composite Sun Through the Houses. If I murdered this illusion, it would be like if I murdered my own soul ; I just cant . I will look into it. From what you said, it seems like perhaps these give the relationship an element of commitment, partnership, and longevity that it wouldnt otherwise have albiet in an unusual, community-oriented way. Moon in Aries/7th, Saturn in the 5th/Aquarius. Twelfth house composites can work very well if the people involved understand that they must work together and make a contribution of some kind, even to simply show a good example of what a couple can be. One thing Ive noticed with these people is that other people usually notice their . We have an interesting stellium in the 6th Uranus, Eros, Ceres, and Vertex all within a degree of each other. The part about unrequited love was particularly interesting and that other part might not know what we exist. What to make of this? I put mars (Cancer) in his 12th. Saturn is the heaviest aspected planet in this composite, which actually reinforces the intensity of the Moon/Saturn-opposite theme from synastry. Black Moon Lilith in 12th house suggests an interest in the occult and esoteric teachings. Obviously, I thought this man was my soulmate. The 12th house has to do with summarizing and accepting all that has come before it, whereas first house planets are very pure, almost innocent, in their expression. Talking about Fate! And I dont think you can fully understand Pisces without understanding its relation to Jupiter as well as Neptune. Besides, his vertex conjunct with my sun and oppose w/ my moon. Thank you for your reply Dawn . You have a strong synastry and a strong 1st house in the composite, and of course that makes a difference. Is there nothing better to hope for? Of course, this can lead to overspending and a tendency to overvalue anything that is overindulgent and impractical, but the positive energy Jupiter brings will generally get you through it. I had to spend years unlearning what love is to me and settle with how individuals differ in what we value in a relationship. It is composed of the combined midpoints of each person's planets and angles. I have composite sun and moon in house 12 with my brother. We tried to stop but we couldnt be in the same room aloneI know it sounds nothing more than two horny people getting together but it really wasnt the same..or was it? It can also mean, in this case, unconscious elements making themselves known via the Ascendant in mysterious ways. We were happy plutonicay together. You're hypersensitive to energy and emotions in your environment, including the collective, if Chiron is in the 12th House. The Mars/Neptune square did bring an element of slipperiness, but mostly irritating fibbing on his part. The midpoint composite points out the places where the planets in the two charts manifest. Regine. Its impossible to do one without composites or progressed composites. We work together, this relationship is definitely a karmic one, but now, after 1 one year of being together, there are some difficulties. One valuable lesson I learned is to refrain being attached to an outcome with him. Transit Neptune in the Composite 12th House. It's so "behind scenes" that it freaks me out. This placement suppresses your deep subconscious a lot. Pluto, Sun, Venus & Mercury in the 12th/Virgo. Saturn, NN, and Sun exact at 28 degrees, opposite Chiron Rx in Cancer. They usually experience issues with drugs or alcohol. Dear Dawn, thank you for this amazing article. We met 3 months ago, and live 300 miles apart. We are both married similar age kids. Its what happens when a sensitive person loves another human being. This can happen in composites of unrequited love, where one person loves another who doesnt know he or she exists. I just am hesitating. It is SO powerful! I really love this article its very beautifully written and bittersweet, but anyone with a natal 12th house venus and venus in pisces has walked these roads. There is a certain someone whose natal Sun is in the 12 th, his sun also receiving a natal square from his Neptune. Emotional Suppression. I found composite Saturn on the 12th house, trining the composite Sun/Venus/Merc on the 8th and sextile to the Moon on the 2nd. composite moon and saturn are in fifth house. In Hebrew tradition, Lilith was Adam's first wife. I might even say hes one of the closest people to me. I would very much like to ask a question about Sun opposition Neptune in a composite especially if it is found as double whammy in synastry.From what I have read from your articles that particular dynamic is extremely difficult to get a grasp of.However I am wondering what kind of effect would Pluto in the 12th trine Sun would have on that aspect in the composite which is also double whammy in synastry.Especially since Pluto is the ruler of the Ascendant and Jupiter,co-ruler of Pisces hits that angle.My question has to do with whether in this case the 1st house plays a heavy role in the chart and balances the chaotic power of Sun-Neptune or whether it is so fused with piscean energy that the plutonian core searching is not enough to get through the neptunian fog.I know that you should see the whole chart and that the question is a bit absurd but I think there is a pattern here and I would really like to know even your smallest bit of opinion on the matter.Thank you in advance. As the article says : this being the 12th, most of the time the lesson is learning to love and then let go. Like individuals with 12th house planets, couples with a lot of twelfth house may feel that there is something fated about their lives together. The ego thing is very true. Hi annaMy feeling is that the word god is loaded, psychologically speaking. Indeed, I felt the fear trampling along the edge with fear of insecurity. This places can even indicate psychic ability. Composite Saturn is in the 1st. But exploring worlds during sex, soul bonding, feeling understood at a deep level, feeling at home in the spirit of the world, higher purpose together, channeling together, these are all things ive felt with my boyfriend and our 12th house energies. I know this man will be in my life as long as I can imagine. I met her near the end of my Saturn return (Cancer in the 4th house) and I am aware of deep wounds in me around my need for nurturing and I wonder if my neediness in this area may have something to do with it all. You could unknowingly absorb all types of pain from the collective unconscious, making it difficult for you to be a member of the world. this is honestly so beautiful to read. . Hi!! This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. WhiteLotus. 12th House : A busy 12th house is very difficult in a composite chart, since it's the house of the unconscious feelings and all things hidden, so there will be a lot of miscommunication between the two. We could look at each other and read one anothers minds, but not in a way where you hear words or anything. After our individual identity is explored through all the houses, in the 12th and final house, the personality dissolves into something larger. This is the empty space, the place where we are not like others, the place where the pieces dont fit. There is also a Mars in the 12th that doesnt get really any support from anything. Is it a dream come true, or a big lie? I am a strong 12th houser myself and it meant so much to me that we could live together and I never felt my precious solitude was infringed upon. They feel invisible or alone. I was wondering about my composite contacts with some I know who we share 12th house themes with. or sth. Its time to clean up the karma between you, according to the position of the Nodes in the composite chart. But also to wound each other? Its a damn shame, but I cant make him more a more spiritual person, just because our powerful connection together is deep and spiritual. We become real magicians if we can tap into it. Venus/Uranus is difficult in the composite, but it doesnt explain your obsession. They have to learn to work togetherthats the challenge. Hes Gemini sun . I can honestly say that I love this man from the highest level of my being, but I dont feel we belong together in a committed relationship. Hi WhitelotusI use both the Midpoint and the Davison charts in synastry. At all. PS.. hes the very first guy I ever met who knew and talked about astrology! They help us understand that our capacity to love is its own reward. When transit Neptune is in the composite 12th house, you can explore your spiritual connection, and want to make sure that youre intuitively moving in the same direction. The composite chart has Sun/Jupiter conjunct by degree in the 12th in Scorpio, moon in the 12th in late Libra, and Scorpio rising. It often helps to work together on projects they find meaningful, or to spend some time doing community or charity work. The relationship has been on & off, again and again for 28 years. Am i trapping my self? Sometimes the ego gets in the way of our path, whether through fear, resistance to growth, resistance to break old habits and personal tendencies, or through a lack of interest in what is wanted of us. There is still a sense that anything can happen though, very unpredictable energy. thanks!! I dont know whether this situation is karma? Hi ameNow were talking about the differences between the Davison and the midpoint charts, and thats really too complicated a topic to go into here. 4 months passed since then. I read our full synastry report, using dual cosmodynes, and the outcome was very positive and harmonic, scoring pretty much above the average! Much depends on the relationship of the 12th house planets to one another. I cannot be happy with him (I feel happy but it doesnt last any longer) or without him. In composite, we have sun, mercury and part of fortune in the 12th. We romanticize all of this (and well, a little romance never hurt anyone) but the truth is that this familiarity is there to hurry up the bonding process so that the lessons and the challenges can be quickly assimilated. It also governs much, much more, however. One, that planets energy can be confused and diffused in their lives, especially when in difficult aspect to other things in the composite. Im afraid that you would need a full synastry reading in order to make sense of the situation for you and your wife. Trust me when I say that I will happily take a man i am less connected to, to allow myself the support I need to thrive in this life. His natal Venus in cancer is in my 12house. We communicated telepathically and still do. We fall, and find the world. Lilith in the 3rd House: Those with Lilith in the 3rd house may have a dark sense of humor, be into alternative or shocking entertainment & literature, while they have the capability of being fantastic liars. Lots of greetings from Serbia. This is an ultimate guide to Lilith in the Twelfth House of astrology! The Anti-Vertex, on the other hand, is located in the opposite house of the Vertex (the 11 th , 12 th , 1 st , 2 nd , or 3 rd houses), which relate to personal concerns . Can you say anything on the north node transiting the twelfth house on a composite? However, with so much 12th house a individuals, and then as a couple, can there be something more than We are fated, but we are meant to part. The examination of two natal charts shows how people interact with one another==how I affect you, and vice versa. My concern is a grand trine in the composite chart, Mercury/Jupiter/Venus all conjunct in the 1st (pisces) trine Moon/North node conjunct in the 5th (cancer) and Neptune the chart ruler in the 9th (Scopio). My wife and I have composite moon in the 12 house (aquarius). Dear Dawn, I just see now, that accidentally I typed wrong Your name! I had a karmic relationship with a guy for 6 years which ended badly. I cant stop the regretful feelings. Could I ask Your opinion? One thing is certain, and that is planets in the 12th house dont behave like any other. Dear Dawn, I just see now, that accidentally I typed wrong Your name! It isnt that theyre unhappyno, they seem to go more the extreme of bliss altering with despair. Together we share a Mars 12th. IP: Logged. What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? These individuals are highly empathetic, but they want to protect their privacy, and they are not easy to open up. What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? By looking your article I realized that our composite chart is too difficult to try a relationship but when I examine our natal charts, there are many matchings as well. Our date was perfect but too creepy cause he told his very deep secrets and early regrets to me. Its difficult because boundaries dissolve and we find it hard to maintain our separateness, which is necessary in a healthy relationship. (You can have this without the 12th of course, but the 12th is inclined to it.) 8th and 12th house seem to have haunted me for most of my life , Your email address will not be published. In the composite only our venus and moon are conjunct in the 12th. WhiteLotus. We have a composite 12th house sun mars and venus in Cancer! There is, without a doubt, an element of longing in the 12th. Our Composite Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars and Jupiter are in the 12th, Gemini. .why is neptune conjunct sun so bad in composite? our composite mars-venus conjunction opposes composite uranus, sun, mercury all conjunct from seventh house. They might be very sneaky and test people a lot. thanks Dawn! I like to think of Pluto more in terms of the battle between the ego and the soul. Looking at the chart, it seems to be propelling us into Aquarius, and Aquarian age type of love. I thought that because of the 8th house or vertex, I forced him to confront his own dark side. I have learned to surrender much but our relationship isnt surviving, we cant let go altogether and cant seem to be together.
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